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Scott Foster wrote:
I found it interesting that the Rainbow is God's symbol of His promise to man that he would never destroy the whole earth with a flood ever again.

I must say that I take offense to your statement: "Our opinion is that Bible is like everything else on our planet with its good and bad sides. Usually bad things are the ones that are written by human hand."

God used 40 men that were inspired of God to write His Word down and He promised to preserve His Word forever. While man does make many mistakes, God does not, and His Word has been preserved just as He promised. The whole concept of "God-Inspired" or "God-Breathed" means that God Himself wrote those words using the hands of man under His control.

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I wouldn't necessarily say "control", I would have chosen the word "guidance". God does not control what we do. He has given us free will. Therefore some people believe and others do not believe. :)

The original Aramaic Bible is the true interpretation from God . If you take a careful look at Aramaic , it half resembles sacred geometry . Therefore ; there is a meaning in every word/symbol , and that increases the Bibles meaning exponentially by millions ! The lines found on Earth are nothing more than Aramaic sacred geometry writing by God , trying to communicate with Humans , who still do not understand , and had to move away from cuneiform ( compromise between God and man ,) and move to simpler language and alphabets ( English ; German ; Zulu ; Chinese/halway there etc...!!)

One more thing, dont mistake self-righteousness for righteousness, I beleive Jesus existed and left his word to his deciphals. It may have been left by God, but God gave us free will. Over time things will be twisted to mans liking. Probably starting with Constantin and the Roman empire. Where does evil hide, the last place you would look.

You spelled written and therefore wrong. Oh yeah, if something happened 2000 years ago, and you obviously didnt experience it, you are ignorant or brain washed to deny or accept it. I tell you what, see what this argument looks like after you are dead.

Ok for one why lose respect for. Website over an opionon? Two as the bible has books that were writtin after the events happened we can assume parts of it are not exactly as it happened which therefor makes it at least partly untrue. I would love to talk further with anyone about this my email is ashelyjordan@gmail.com

Your claim that theists are the least happy is proved wrong by numerous studies that show that those who attend church generally have longer life spans and higher morale.

The Bible's morality is meaningless if God does not exist, as that is what it all depends on. If Jesus was not God, he was either one of the most evil men who ever existed (brainwashing people into denying everything for his sake) or he was a complete and utter lunatic.

Of course, if God exists and responds to prayer, then the talks we have with him are not just imaginary.

And I wasn't going for the idea of the blanket statement 'everything comes from God'. I think you could argue that that is the case, but indirectly for a lot of things. Human evil comes about by free will, which itself comes from God, but because he is incapable of doing any evil action, he is not the one who should be held responsible for it.

Ok ive read your arguments, and it is not solely with you with whom i am arguing, although since we are the only two ppl commenting that may in fact be the case haha. Firstly, you cant say, the bible is clear: either you submit to god and everything comes from him or reject everything, combined with the claim HOLOCAUST was mans fault. If EVERYTHING comes from god, that includes suffering, genocides, etc., happiness, weed, fun, partying and sex, then god is just the imaginary creator of our reality. there is no intent, and i would argue that the people who claim they are closest to god, and spend the most time in church, join the seminary, etc, are the LEAST happy. humans are happy when we live for ourselves and are surrounded by our loved ones. not having imaginary talks in our head with GOD. HUMANS are responsible for everything we do, there is no god forcing our hand, and there was no immaculate conception. the bible is good for teaching morals and life lessons, but there are many sources for those and the fact that it claims to be the word of god deceives people.

Again, you're trying to convince me by CAPITALISING everywhere you'd make a stress in speech. That suggests you're resorting to EMOTION NOT REASON.

And the fact that you lump all of the content of the Bible together suggests that you haven't read a great deal of it. I would suggest that you do, because I thought I knew it until I actually started reading through it recently. My, how my perceptions have changed.

Your argument is that of the problem of evil - there is no need to resort to emotional appeal when you can state the problem much more concisely with reason. If you want answers about suffering, maybe read some of the Judaeo-Christian responses to the issue. The Book of Job is a good place to find different takes on the Augustinian theodicy (suffering is judgement on sin - I can see the sense here - humanity is truly evil, and if you don't agree, think of the Holocaust and Hiroshima) and the Irenaean theodicy (suffering is instructive - you don't know what it's like to fall over until you actually do and hurt yourself in the process), and other answers.

At first I thought it was very odd to ask what life would be like if Voldemort were real, but then I think I began to see what you were arguing. But I think it's a huge mistake to pin the blame for all suffering on God when he is not responsible for things like the Holocaust (perpetrated by a man, funnily enough, who hated Christianity), world hunger (which I think is largely the fault of greedy western governments) and infringements of freedom (not God's fault - due to human selfishness and a desire to have power over others).

Next, your argument about God's love is utterly false. God's love does not mean that we all dance merrily around forever - if you know anything about human relationships, you will know that good love is often tough love. The statement 'God loves us' does not mean 'God will cater to our whims at all times'. I don't see why you say that he does, because it seems that very few western governments care tuppence about God. God's love includes God's justice, and that may very well mean that governments arrogant enough to ignore their Creator and Judge fall spectacularly, just as did the Roman Empire, the Babylonian Empire and the British Empire.

Your ideas about fallen angels suggest that you would much prefer a world where no freedom existed and where everyone said 'I love you God, I love you God' 24/7. That is, a world with no moral responsibility and no value to individual existence at all.

What would you propose God does about hell, then, if it is not good enough for you? Make a halfway region where God sometimes pops by to say hello, but isn't too imposing? The Bible is clear that there are only two options: you either submit to God and accept everything that comes from him, or you reject him and reject everything he offers (which includes happiness, peace and so on, since these come from God).

You then proceed to attack the entire concept of God on the basis of one branch of Christianity, that is Roman Catholicism, based on tradition almost more than on the Bible. It may surprise you how frank the Bible is about sex (Song of Songs is basically a compendium of erotic poetry and a celebration of proper sex within the right context, and there is a passage in Leviticus that outlines exactly who and what you shouldn't have sex with).

It frustrates me that you don't appear to have read my comments on the importance of reason within a biblical context, so I won't pursue that if you can't be bothered to even look at my argument.

And you return to attacking Christianity on the basis of a tiny group of people, young earth creationists, who I think you will find are rejected by a lot of intelligent Christians. Young earth creationism is a travesty in my opinion, and is certainly NOT the mainstream view. Look beyond this single take on Genesis (a take that has only been strong within the past few decades) and read what various Church of England and Catholic writers say about the topic of evolution, and I think you will find that most sensible Christians can read Genesis 1 as poetry and accept the law of evolution without much of a fuss.

But you do raise the valid point of how a day, a temporal concept, can mean anything to God, a non-temporal being, and that is an important point that anyone reading Genesis 1 should really consider.

'Rest' is ultimately a misleading word to use in this passage, and I don't think it helps that many still render it as 'God rested from his work' when the original text actually says 'God ceased from his work'.

However, Victor, you raise some very good points, even if they could be presented more clearly and rationally. But as I have said, I would really suggest that before you criticise the entire Bible, you get to grips with it, pick it apart and understand roughly what each book is about, its context and the kind of things that are discussed, even if you don't know it word for word (which I doubt any practical person does).

It's not just one book that says 'God did this, God did that'. It's a collection of various pieces of literature, written by various people at various times and in various situations, and writing from many different perspectives and genres, but all coming together to tell the same story (though it is much more than just a story).

Actually, any sort of thought about the omnipotent/benevolent dichotomy will quickly reveal that it is PURE BS. Your GOD has abandoned the VAST MAJORITY of his so-called CHILDREN and left them to starve, die of horrible disease or thirst, and suffer in the most unimaginable ways to prove a point?! ARE YOU SERIOUS? An entity that created the ENTIRE universe, billions upon billions of stars, galaxies etc, gives 0 ****s about the 6 foot species walking the surface of our planet. If God had about humanity, it would clearly be only the most bitter hatred for us; otherwise why the massive suffering? The Bible is a work of humans, feeble-minded and short-sighted, HOW can it possibly encompass the supernatural? The fact that anyone thinks that they can interpret gods will should be a slight against him/her!
Does it not occur to you that if Voldemort is the way he is described in Harry Potter then we're all Muggles and its just a matter of time before he begins RULING the world? in fact, the harry potter explanation makes MORE sense than the bible, Voldemort hates muggles and wants us to suffer. It is Logical then, that if he were in charge, we would suffer, which, as a species, we are. If GOD is in charge, and he LOVES muggles (everyone) then we would suffer occasionally, but not as a WHOLE. IF god loves us (as the bible claims), then the MAJORITY of us should be doing well. This is not the case. IF one is to believe in god, at least accept that he HATES humanity and here is why: 1. Hell, what sort of asshole god would create hell? for the fallen angels? if hes so damn powerful, dont let the ****ing angels fall? how are they even angels if they can fall? 2. IF you are going to create a place like hell, then send only the WORST possible people there, not EVERYONE who doesnt accept your dumbass claim to fame through the word of mouth of a book. 3 Alleviate the suffering of the innocent! If he can do this, why doesnt he? wait, hes too busy catering to the whims of western civilization+ the politicians who run them, and international corporations! 4. Dont make sex feel amazing, then tell everyone they cant do it unless they're making a baby. If you only want people to **** every 9 months or so, then make it the most unbearable experience possible. I COULD GO ON AND ON, but of course, reasoning wont help you people. Christians believe in science when it suits them, i.e. computers, cars, airplanes, etc, then disregard it entirely when it contradicts their beliefs, i.e. dinosaurs (fossils are a test of your faith? SURE, just like oil.), carbon dating, THE EARTH WASNT MADE IN 6 FUCKING DAYS, and if god was all that and a bag of ****in chips, then WHY DID HE NEED TO REST? also, god would have no concept of what a day even is, since that is based on humanity's narrow view, a result of living on earth.

Wesley wrote:
Again, a failure to understand that the Bible is not just one type of work. Victor, your line of reasoning seems to be 'The claims of the Bible are improbable, therefore the whole thing is bunkum'. If you actually read it, particularly the history, it would probably surprise you in how honest it is when it discusses people like Abraham, Abimelech and David. Your argument is, frankly, empty, since it is based on one example of a miracle.

Does it not occur to you that if God is how He is described in the Bible, He is able to manipulate the laws of nature to perform miracles?

It's very interesting that you cite Narnia and Lord of the Rings as stories that shouldn't be accepted as fact: I'm sure you're aware that Lewis and Tolkien were both deeply devout Christians and intelligent men who saw a clear boundary between the Bible and their work. The reasons I do not believe LOTR and Narnia are history is because they do not claim to be, and one is an **** if one thinks they do.

And as for your claim that those who read the Bible accept it blindly without thinking about it, again that is nonsense. You are buying into the common myth that Judaism and Christianity require the individual to not think: in fact, the opposite is true. Both these faiths require huge intellectual engagement (Jesus said to love God with, among other things, the mind; Paul wrote that we should 'test everything') and personal responsibility by seeing for oneself what the Scriptures really say, and therefore somebody who blindly accepts the Bible is not fit for the faith. Blind belief is unhelpful and will lead to a short-lived faith that has no basis in reason. However, grounded belief, a rational acceptance of certain basic things, will lead to a solid faith. Reason can take the first few steps and point the way to faith. If your perception of faith is that it requires no thought, you are sadly mistaken.

You've misunderstood my point, which was that too many short-sighted people see one slightly odd thing in the Bible and proceed to disregard the whole thing as nonsense, without even looking at it as a set of historical documents. If the Bible is not the Word of God and is merely a set of human writings, it is still valuable as just that. Hence, if I read the Bhagavad Gita (which I haven't, but hope to one day), I can still think of it as a useful and informative piece of literature if I do not believe in the Hindu worldview.

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Again, a failure to understand that the Bible is not just one type of work. Victor, your line of reasoning seems to be 'The claims of the Bible are improbable, therefore the whole thing is bunkum'. If you actually read it, particularly the history, it would probably surprise you in how honest it is when it discusses people like Abraham, Abimelech and David. Your argument is, frankly, empty, since it is based on one example of a miracle.

Does it not occur to you that if God is how He is described in the Bible, He is able to manipulate the laws of nature to perform miracles?

It's very interesting that you cite Narnia and Lord of the Rings as stories that shouldn't be accepted as fact: I'm sure you're aware that Lewis and Tolkien were both deeply devout Christians and intelligent men who saw a clear boundary between the Bible and their work. The reasons I do not believe LOTR and Narnia are history is because they do not claim to be, and one is an **** if one thinks they do.

And as for your claim that those who read the Bible accept it blindly without thinking about it, again that is nonsense. You are buying into the common myth that Judaism and Christianity require the individual to not think: in fact, the opposite is true. Both these faiths require huge intellectual engagement (Jesus said to love God with, among other things, the mind; Paul wrote that we should 'test everything') and personal responsibility by seeing for oneself what the Scriptures really say, and therefore somebody who blindly accepts the Bible is not fit for the faith. Blind belief is unhelpful and will lead to a short-lived faith that has no basis in reason. However, grounded belief, a rational acceptance of certain basic things, will lead to a solid faith. Reason can take the first few steps and point the way to faith. If your perception of faith is that it requires no thought, you are sadly mistaken.

You've misunderstood my point, which was that too many short-sighted people see one slightly odd thing in the Bible and proceed to disregard the whole thing as nonsense, without even looking at it as a set of historical documents. If the Bible is not the Word of God and is merely a set of human writings, it is still valuable as just that. Hence, if I read the Bhagavad Gita (which I haven't, but hope to one day), I can still think of it as a useful and informative piece of literature if I do not believe in the Hindu worldview.

Wesley, the bible states that some guy parted an entire sea, because he needed to get across. Its not a lack of appreciation, its a lack of BLIND BELIEF in a book that makes THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS imaginable. Do you follow the chronicles of narnia and try to convince everyone that this is the way to live? NO. the problem with the bible is not its contents, the problem is that people try to impose the absurd claims and beliefs contained within it on other people. they live their lives by the words of people who had ZERO knowledge about the modern era. what kind of God would make a population (that he calls his CHILDREN) then doom most of them to an eternal hell. No loving parent would do this. no one reads works of FICTION and then lives their lives by them. People who do this are generally known as schizophrenics or people with "active imaginations" i.e. total ****s. reading the bible is honestly more hilarious than any comic book, because so many people take it seriously! haha the fact that anyone would believe it is nothing short of staggering, and speaks to the ignorance and lack of self-confidence of the average person. reading it literally FORCES any person with a shred of common sense to realize it is a work of pure fiction. QUOTING THE BIBLE to prove a point is no better than quoting Harry potter or Lord of the rings. its not WRITING OFF all literature to not believe or appreciate what it says. Its being slightly intelligent and THINKING about what you read.
YOUFAILGOODSIR: the THEORY of evolution? as opposed to the theory that GOD created the world in a week? haha have you heard of carbon dating? the world is not less than 10,000 years old! Please if you have an ounce of decency you will end your miserably unintelligent life and not pass on your DISMALLY unintellectual genes and teachings to the next generation. Actually what am i saying? natural selection will weed out morons like you in a few generations AT MOST. DARWIN

If there's one thing I have little respect or time for, it's ignorant people mindlessly writing off the whole Bible as pure invention and fiction. These people have apparently no way of comprehending that the Bible is not just a Tuesday afternoon novel some bloke decided to write. As the article states, it was written by forty different people over more than a thousand years. It contains a diverse array of literature: history (for instance Genesis, Kings and Samuel); poetry (Psalms, Song of Songs, Job); prophecy (Jeremiah, Isaiah, Malachi); letters (Romans, Corinthians, Hebrews), and so is NOT all the same.

So to the people who like to say 'the Bible is just a human invention; it's all wrong', I would caution you to educate yourselves on what the Bible actually is, and also to be consistent in how you examine things. If you write off the Bible because it's human invention, write off all other literature. And if you write it off because it talks about God, write off the Bhagavad Gita, write off the Qur'an, write off the Chronicles of Narnia. Write off every book that vaguely talks about God and don't appreciate any aspect of it at all. Well, if you're prepared to do that with the Bible, you should be prepared to do it with all literature.

Rae wrote: #
Well, this "fact" just lost my respect for your website. Not only is it is poorly written: "Lots of data in Bible are prophecies and some of them have come true." I can't see any evidence that it has been verified. "40 men were given inspiration by God to continue writing the Bible" Really? This is an unprovable statement expressed in poor grammar.

If this slopy entry is an example of your commitment to veracity and truth, I can't begin to wonder what else you might vouch as fact.

Haha poor grammar it might be, yet there are things that are almost as incredibly ludacris that have been accepted into society. Such things as the Theory of Evolution, and Atheism (which ironically is a religion) :)

Now, go crawl back into your primordial ooze and please research things before you speak. Thank you. :)

This website gives good facts but there is some misinformation in it. About the prophecies in the Bible, over 400 prophecies were in the Old Testament came true/were fulfilled in the New Testament which makes that comment wrong. Another thing is that concerning the Bible being written solely by human isn't right because in 2 Timothy 3:16 it plainly says that All Scripture is inspired/written by God Himself. To Jake, I would like to say that if you READ truly read the Bible then being an atheist doesn't make sense. If anyone would like to e-mail me it is drgn_prince@yahoo.com. This is for discussion. Thank you

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wow, I can't believe that after all this time, the greatest debate is still about God and His Word. I see that it proves persecution right there for following truth. Mankind has always debated their own truth rather than the truth since mankind does not like to be proven wrong. Wow, incredible. Oh, and mentioning Jesus is an even greater taboo. One last thing... before debating what is Truth and what is not, read the bible and test it out for yourself. Find your own result and go from there. Blessings to all who read.

I have read the bible. It's a large part of why I'm an atheist.

wow, I can't believe that after all this time, the greatest debate is still about God and His Word. I see that it proves persecution right there for following truth. Mankind has always debated their own truth rather than the truth since mankind does not like to be proven wrong. Wow, incredible. Oh, and mentioning Jesus is an even greater taboo. One last thing... before debating what is Truth and what is not, read the bible and test it out for yourself. Find your own result and go from there. Blessings to all who read.

lol @ quoting the bible as fact

So much for "facts". I DID think this website was cool.

Anyone who would discount the veracity of the Bible without having made an honest inquiry, is either a liar, (saying they had, when they hadn't), or are ignorant. But such is the state of man, blind from birth, dull of hearing, rejecting the truth. Alas.

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It was all written by human hands.

Wow. Very interesting. :)